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Updated 141 Days ago

I still don't like Vick...and I guess I won't

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We recorded an interview with Michael Vick this morning, and I went in hoping he would convince me that he’s a good guy that’s worthy of having in St. Louis as our quarterback (as far fetched as that thought is right now).

 

On the football front, Vick was proud of how courageous he was, so courageous that he won the Eagles’ Ed Block courage award.  He wasn’t.  To me, courage is indicative of someone that volunteers to protect our country, or someone that protects the public, or someone that helps teach our kids.  Service people, police officers and firefighters and teachers are courageous.  Someone that gets out of jail after running a dogfighting ring…not so much. 

 

When asked what motivated him to play football, Vick talked about individual goals…about being the best player by the end of his career in 8-10 years.  There was nothing about winning a Super Bowl, or lifting a team to great heights.

 

When I asked him what he’s done to become a better, more accurate thrower, he pointed out that he stayed for an extra 30 minutes after practice many days in Philadelphia.  Then he blamed his receivers in Atlanta for all of their dropped passes.

 

I also asked Vick if he had been in therapy after having the ability to viciously kill defenseless animals.  He said yes, he has been in therapy twice a week as part of his probation, but…he doesn’t need it.  That nothing is wrong with him.

 

Vick was contrite at times…he says that what he did was bad and he wants to atone for it.  He wants to save more animals than he killed.  He says he plans to work hard at his next stop, and wants to become a great quarterback.

 

But, he didn’t convince me.  I’m a tough judge, but I don’t envision Vick as a Super Bowl quarterback, and I wouldn’t want to build with him.

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  • Offensive comment? DubSG 141 Days ago
    Really Karraker? Can you name five quarterbacks not named Manning, Brees, Brady, Rothlisberger, or Rivers that you would rather have QB the rams for the next 3 to 4 years, or at least five that will win more games. Don't worry, I'll wait.
  • Offensive comment? SHOWSOMELUV77 140 Days ago
    I JUST WANT TO SAY TELL THE TRUTH RANDY. I BELEIVE YOU WASN'T TELLING THE TRUTH WHEN YOU SAID THAT VICK DIDN'T DO ENOUGH TO CONVINCE YOU. THE TRUTH IS YOU SHOULD JUST TELL THE TRUTH AND ADMIT THAT NOTHING VICK COULD EVER SAY NOR DO TO MAKE YOU FEEL ANY DIFFERENT. I KNOW YOU'RE A DOG OWNER AND YOU LOVE YOUR DOGS AND THAT'S GREAT. I JUST DISAGREE WITH YOU AS FAR AS IF SOMEONE MAKES AN EXCUSE TO BELIEVE A CERTAIN WAY OR SHOULD I SAY CONTINUE TO BELIEVE A CERTAIN WAY, THEN I THINK THAT PERSON IS BEING LESS THAN TRUTHFUL. SO IF YOU CONTINUE TO FEEL THAT WAY ABOUT VICK, THEN THAT YOUR RIGHT, JUST BE HONEST AND SAY THAT THEIRS NOTHING HE CAN DO TO CHANGE YOUR MIND. I DON'T THINK THEIRS A RISK AS FAR AS WILL HE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AGAIN, BECAUSE WHO WOULD WITH ALL OF THAT HE HAS LOST, BUT I THINK THE REAL QUESTION IS DO I LIKE HIM OR NOT, NOW THAT'S THE REAL QUESTION. I THINK VICK CAN HELP THE RAMS IN THE SHORT TERM AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HIM, BECAUSE HE PAID HIS DEBT TO SOCIETY. IT'S FUNNY HOW SOME PEOPLE CALL THEMSELVES GOOD, GOD-FEARING PEOPLE, BUT YET HAVE A HARD TIME FOR-GIVING NOT WITH WORDS BUT IN THEIR HEARTS??? I LOVED THE SHOW AND I LIKE TO LISTEN TO YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE HONEST AND FORWARD I JUST HAD TO CALL YOU ON THIS ONE, BECAUSE YOU WASN'T HONEST WITH HOW YOU FEEL IN YOUR HEART THAT CAUSE YOU TO FEEL THIS WAY.
    RANDY JUST TELL THE TRUTH, TELL THE TRUTH.
  • Offensive comment? RammerFan 140 Days ago
    Whether he (or others) ever see how transparent his "speech" is, Vick didn't convince me either, and he probably never will. He said he didn't want to elaborate on what he did, it was something that happened that he'd seen others do many times ... but later he said he wouldn't blame his background. This man is no more able to face the horrors of what he did than Mac is able to admit that the steroids helped. He said he didn't need the therapy that's part of his probation, proving he clearly doesn't understand why it's required (and maybe that he wasn't in prison long enough to get it). And it was telling when he said he was shocked to win the courage award (we're shocked too).
    As far as other QBs, Feeley aside and assuming we're not limited to free agency, how about old man Favre, Flacco or Schaub ... or perhaps Delhomme.
    But if we're only talking free agents, there's still Orton, Brunell and Pennington to consider before Vick, who'd have to climb up a long way to be a thug.
  • Offensive comment? DubSG 139 Days ago
    "how about old man Favre, Flacco or Schaub ... or perhaps Delhomme," Those are some interesting picks, now which one is available for the Rams to get, not Farve, not Flacco, not Schaub, and Delhomme couldn't play his way out of a paper bag with good receivers last year. "there's still Orton, Brunell and Pennington," Once again which one can we have play for the Rams, not Orton, not Pennington, and Brunell is as ancient as a Egyptian artifact, was on the down slope of his career when he left Jacksonville, and has no mobility to evade the rush, which is mandatory with the Rams pathetic pass blocking. "Vick, who'd have to climb up a long way to be a thug," Ah-ha, finally the truth, what that man does away from his job on the field should not be more important to you than what he does on the field number one, and number two, the man paid more than his debt to society, truthfully, if he wasn't a NFL player, definitely not a black NFL player, the price he had to pay would not have been so high, trust me.
  • Offensive comment? RammerFan 140 Days ago
    Whether he (or others) ever see how transparent his "speech" is, Vick didn't convince me either, and he probably never will. He said he didn't want to elaborate on what he did, it was something that happened that he'd seen others do many times ... but later he said he wouldn't blame his background. This man is no more able to face the horrors of what he did than Mac is able to admit that the steroids helped. He said he didn't need the therapy that's part of his probation, proving he clearly doesn't understand why it's required (and maybe that he wasn't in prison long enough to get it). And it was telling when he said he was shocked to win the courage award (we're shocked too).
    As far as other QBs, Feeley aside and assuming we're not limited to free agency, how about old man Favre, Flacco or Schaub ... or perhaps Delhomme.
    But if we're only talking free agents, there's still Orton, Brunell and Pennington to consider before Vick, who'd have to climb up a long way to be a thug.
  • Offensive comment? DubSG 139 Days ago
    "how about old man Favre, Flacco or Schaub ... or perhaps Delhomme," Those are some interesting picks, now which one is available for the Rams to get, not Farve, not Flacco, not Schaub, and Delhomme couldn't play his way out of a paper bag with good receivers last year. "there's still Orton, Brunell and Pennington," Once again which one can we have play for the Rams, not Orton, not Pennington, and Brunell is as ancient as a Egyptian artifact, was on the down slope of his career when he left Jacksonville, and has no mobility to evade the rush, which is mandatory with the Rams pathetic pass blocking. "Vick, who'd have to climb up a long way to be a thug," Ah-ha, finally the truth, what that man does away from his job on the field should not be more important to you than what he does on the field number one, and number two, the man paid more than his debt to society, truthfully, if he wasn't a NFL player, definitely not a black NFL player, the price he had to pay would not have been so high, trust me.
  • Offensive comment? RammerFan 140 Days ago
    Whether he (or others) ever see how transparent his "speech" is, Vick didn't convince me either, and he probably never will. He said he didn't want to elaborate on what he did, it was something that happened that he'd seen others do many times ... but later he said he wouldn't blame his background. This man is no more able to face the horrors of what he did than Mac is able to admit that the steroids helped. He said he didn't need the therapy that's part of his probation, proving he clearly doesn't understand why it's required (and maybe that he wasn't in prison long enough to get it). And it was telling when he said he was shocked to win the courage award (we're shocked too).
    As far as other QBs, Feeley aside and assuming we're not limited to free agency, how about old man Favre, Flacco or Schaub ... or perhaps Delhomme.
    But if we're only talking free agents, there's still Orton, Brunell and Pennington to consider before Vick, who'd have to climb up a long way to be a thug.
  • Offensive comment? DubSG 139 Days ago
    "how about old man Favre, Flacco or Schaub ... or perhaps Delhomme," Those are some interesting picks, now which one is available for the Rams to get, not Farve, not Flacco, not Schaub, and Delhomme couldn't play his way out of a paper bag with good receivers last year. "there's still Orton, Brunell and Pennington," Once again which one can we have play for the Rams, not Orton, not Pennington, and Brunell is as ancient as a Egyptian artifact, was on the down slope of his career when he left Jacksonville, and has no mobility to evade the rush, which is mandatory with the Rams pathetic pass blocking. "Vick, who'd have to climb up a long way to be a thug," Ah-ha, finally the truth, what that man does away from his job on the field should not be more important to you than what he does on the field number one, and number two, the man paid more than his debt to society, truthfully, if he wasn't a NFL player, definitely not a black NFL player, the price he had to pay would not have been so high, trust me.
  • Offensive comment? RammerFan 138 Days ago
    Hey DubSG -- your challenge (in case you forgot) was to name five quarterbacks you'd rather have ... so I did. And truth be told, I hate that we've tolerated Bulger this long, but I'd rather have him than Vick because yeah, I have standards and no, Vick doesn't come close to meeting them. On field performance does matter, but I'm willing to admit I'd rather support people with some backbone and character vs. those without either. You may think Vick paid "more than" his debt, but that doesn't make everyone see it that way. The difference isn't his color (and it's juvenile and racist of you to bring it up) -- it's what he did. It wasn't an accident or poor judgement (like Little), it was intetional and motivated by money.
  • Offensive comment? RammerFan 138 Days ago
    Hey DubSG -- your challenge (in case you forgot) was to name five quarterbacks you'd rather have ... so I did. And truth be told, I hate that we've tolerated Bulger this long, but I'd rather have him than Vick because yeah, I have standards and no, Vick doesn't come close to meeting them. On field performance does matter, but I'm willing to admit I'd rather support people with some backbone and character vs. those without either. You may think Vick paid "more than" his debt, but that doesn't make everyone see it that way. The difference isn't his color (and it's juvenile and racist of you to bring it up) -- it's what he did. It wasn't an accident or poor judgement (like Little), it was intetional and motivated by money.
  • Offensive comment? RammerFan 138 Days ago
    Hey DubSG -- your challenge (in case you forgot) was to name five quarterbacks you'd rather have ... so I did. And truth be told, I hate that we've tolerated Bulger this long, but I'd rather have him than Vick because yeah, I have standards and no, Vick doesn't come close to meeting them. On field performance does matter, but I'm willing to admit I'd rather support people with some backbone and character vs. those without either. You may think Vick paid "more than" his debt, but that doesn't make everyone see it that way. The difference isn't his color (and it's juvenile and racist of you to bring it up) -- it's what he did. It wasn't an accident or poor judgement (like Little), it was intetional and motivated by money.

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